Leanda de Lisle – Woman’s Hour Radio Interview – Updated 5th Feb

BBC Radio 4
4th February 2009
Woman’s Hour

You can listen to the interview at BBCiplayer until 11am Wednesday 11th February 2009. The interview is 35 minutes 30 seconds in to the show.

BBCiplayer

For more information:

Lady Jane Grey and Her Sisters

The main points of the interview were:

 From the 17th and particularly from the 18th century Jane was recreated as a kind of ideal of girlhood. The ideal was considered to be a girl who didn’t answer back, was meek and mild, gentle, chaste and virginal.

 She was extremely clever as well as highly educated. Jane was a feisty teenager; stroppy, argumentative, and opinionated. She was certainly very far from being the image of kitsch sweetness she has been portrayed as.

 I don’t think she harboured personal ambitions to be Queen but nor do I think that she wanted Mary to be Queen. I think she expected her mother, who had a superior claim to her own, to be made Queen.

 When she became Queen, the political elite were united behind her….realised they were facing a possible civil war and they also discovered that ordinary people were flocking in support of Mary. That their own tenants were refusing to fight for Jane against Mary and they thought they could shift all the blame onto Jane’s father-in-law, the Duke of Northumberland.

 Jane herself had, by this stage indicated that she wanted to lead opposition to Mary’s reintroduction of the Catholic mass. Mary believed that it was particularly the Protestant elite who tried to keep her out in 1553 and possibly even kill her and were doing the same again now in January 1554 and the time had come to be ruthless.

 Elizabeth certainly did not think of Jane as being an innocent, meek and mild thing and saw her as a usurper. She also viewed Katherine as a potential usurper.

 I like Mary because she had Jane’s intelligence but also Katherine’s warmth. She could be argumentative and stroppy like Jane but also she wasn’t just a person interested in ideas. She was interested in people and like Katherine, sacrificed everything for love in the end.

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Leanda de Lisle Interview – The Independent

One Minute With: Leanda de Lisle (The Independent 30th Jan 2009)

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Leanda de Lisle – BBC Radio Lincolnshire

BBC Radio Lincolnshire
1st February 2009
Howard Leader

You can listen to the 15 minute interview at BBCiplayer until 6pm Sunday 8th February 2009. It is 1 hour 14 minutess in to the show.

BBCiplayer

The main points of the interview were:

 Katherine and Mary Grey – Their stories weren’t particularly well known because there were details in them that were embarrassing and principally it is that when Elizabeth I died in 1603, the Greys and their descendants were the heirs under English law to her and in fact the crown passed instead to the Stuart King, James I.

 Under the usual common law, (as illegitimate) Mary and Elizabeth could not inherit the throne. They only inherited because Henry VIII appointed them his heirs and he was given this right by parliament.

 The people who were in power at the end of Edward’s reign were then called Evangelicals and are now called Protestants. They were determined that a Protestant would inherit the throne after Edward. This did not look likely as Mary, who was a Catholic, was his heir under the terms of King Henry’s will. Edward did not want his illegitimate sisters inheriting his throne.

 Number of reasons why Edward might not have chosen Frances Grey, it was unlikely that she was going to have a son and he wanted someone who was going to produce a male heir. So she was passed over and it went instead to Jane, who was married off to the son of the principal man in his government, the Duke of Northumberland.

 Katherine and Mary’s stories are unfairly obscured. They are extremely dramatic and romantic and shed fresh light on the reign of Elizabeth.

 Elizabeth was particularly frightened of Katherine because she was concerned that if Katherine married and she didn’t, that she in turn would be overthrown by her Protestant supporters and replaced by Katherine.

 Katherine despaired that she would never be reunited with her husband and starved herself to death.

 Mary was the survivor of the three sisters. At the time Mary married, Elizabeth was so angry that parliament kept on pressing her to name Katherine as her heir, that she threw Mary and her husband into different prisons.

 Elizabeth did not act cruelly without reason and lived in genuine fear of her life, all her life.

 Efforts that were made by Kings and male politicians to deprive women specifically of holding the absolute power of the monarchy. Eventually undermined the foundations of autocracy and led to our constitutional monarchy.

 Jane very much played a role in her own life, in her reign and in her fate. Understood the weapons of propaganda and was prepared to embrace martyrdom for her cause.

 There had been no Queen regnant before Jane. People had a very strong sense of hierarchy and in the hierarchy women were below men. How could a woman be a monarch and be above men?

 The crown became weaker because they thought that female monarchs needed to be controlled by male politicians. This meant the crown was being controlled by politicians.

 When in the end there were no more female monarchs, when James I became King, English politicians had got into a particular way of thinking.

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Five minute programme about Delaroche’s painting

A bit late but the Channel 4 school series about the National Gallery; focused on Delaroche’s ‘The Execution of Lady Jane Grey’ this morning.

Part 12 – National Gallery: Off with her head

See the painting at the National Gallery

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Leanda de Lisle Radio Interviews – 1st and 4th Feb – Updated 4th Feb

Radio Lincolnshire
Sunday 1st February 2009
4.15 pm

You can listen to the show online at:
BBC Radio Lincolnshire

The show should be available on BBCiplayer after the 1st Feb:
BBCiplayer

Woman’s Hour
BBC Radio 4
Wednesday 4th February 2009
10-11 am

More Information

Lady Jane Grey and Her Sisters

You can listen to the show online at:
Radio 4

Or ‘
Listen Again.’

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